Friday, June 16, 2006

Shades of McCarron: vote of delegate majority called "illegal coup d’état" (as compared to a legal coup d’état?)

CMAW – United and Strong
Open letter to the membership

CMAW members,

Over the past few weeks there has been a power struggle within the BC Provincial Council of Carpenters. The Council is the last remnant of our ties to the International and was set to close so that your Canadian union CMAW could take its place. A founding convention for CMAW was scheduled for June 7th in Vancouver.

On that day, a rump group from some local unions representing a minority of the membership but having a majority of delegates in the room, adjourned the convention before it got going and re-convened on their own as the Provincial Council two days later. They are now claiming to have fired Provincial Council President Len Embree and Secretary Treasurer Pat Haggarty, even though these duly elected leaders have about a year left on their 3-year term.

This group does not say they represent CMAW – they only make claims on the Provincial Council. This illegal coup d’état of the Provincial Council does not affect CMAW or its operations and both the BCPCC and CMAW elected leadership are confident this internal scrimmage will not affect representation for our more than 5000 CMAW members and their pension and benefit plans.

Some people want power, while we want progress. It is time for us to go forward with our fight for Canadian autonomy not turn back to the past. CMAW and the BC Provincial Council belong to the members, not to a group of some 50 dissidents, none of whom are from Local 1995, our largest Local Union.

We will keep you updated.

Len Embree
Pat Haggarty

PS: Click here for the letter this group sent telling employers they are now in charge. Click here for our response.
blog note: both links open as pdf downloads

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey Tony, Hey Frank. Me and 45 friends just got together. And I was acclaimed president.you have to noon on monday to resign or you will face the consequences.I will call the boss and tell him

Anonymous said...

Hey Len, Hey Pat. Me and 45 friends just got together. And I was acclaimed president.you have to noon on monday to resign or you will face the consequences.I will call the boss and tell him

Anonymous said...

HOW THE HELL DO THEY FIGURE RECONVENED ON THEIR OWN.The convention was scheduled, No one ever canceled it that I am aware of. Some came, some stayed away, The ones that stayed away chose that path on their own. They weren`t excluded or forced not to attend were they? If you don`t show up for a meeting does`s that mean those that do are wrong to carry on business. This pissing match has gone on for far to long. This side that side . I thought we were all on the same side. My impression is it started because of the perception of hidden secret agendas .Rather then deal upfront with this perception .Some people thought fuck em, we have the majority and don`t have to explain anything to anybody. So the word gets out something fishy is going on. True or false thats what people started to think. Voila a recipe for polarization.Now it becomes them and us . Quick choose sides. Throw in a bunch of personalitys and now you have a full blown civil war.Stupid ,wasteful, counter productive. The International must be rolling on the floor in laughter watching this. Instead of a drive to autonomy its a drive to each others throats.Come on for crying out loud ,sit down ,check the personalitys and anger at the door and get on with what was the plan.Autonomy not Kingdom building and power struggles. Just do what we set out to do. Autonomy . Not one set of overlords for another.

Anonymous said...

The executive cancelled the convention on thursday after the CMAW convention was cancelled.I am confused with your comments that it was okay to cancel the CMAW convention but it was not okay to cancel the Council convention.Besides where is it okay to hold an election midterm to replace the officers.

Anonymous said...

The CMAW "Assembly" was not a legal "Convention" due to the fact that there was NO constitution "VOTED" in by the "MEMBERS"...Thats why the motion was up held by the MAJORITY of delegates at the CMAW ASSEMBLY...it was not cancelled!!
So what was the reason for the "KINGSWAY BOYZ" for CANCELLING the BCPCC convention....I guess they are scared to FACE the delegates and get VOTED down there to....DUH!!... P.S Don't wear out that autonomy plea to much BOYZ??!!

Straite Shooterz said...

We will keep you updated.
Len Embree
Pat Haggarty

/What a crok of shit, you have not kept us updated for 21 months!!!!!
I was there and you are a bunch a lying con artists - not one bite of truth to your l;etter. It did not happen like that and you guys canceled chicken shit Hagartty cut and run - illegal my ass you canceled the BCPC convention illegally Hagarrty. You postponed the convention illegally Embree. Hosers! Losers! Liars! GET OUTTA MY UNION

Anonymous said...

kill all the extremists now

Anonymous said...

those 53 delagates represent the majority of the members, and don't you forget it.

Anonymous said...

Actually the 53 delegates do not represent the majority. the majority of members were represented by the 45

Anonymous said...

Here is the nub of it. As far as Pat & Len are concerned 2806 Kingway is our Union. That being Local 1995 on the 2nd floor and them on the 3rd floor. Pat & Len could give a hoot about about everyone else. Well, the writing is now on the wall. We are not going to take that crap. Get the hell out of Dodge you losers!

Anonymous said...

Hey Len hey Pat. Quit your lying. If you are going to write letters to the members at least get your facts straight. The "rump group" of 53 delegates as you call them represent 15 Local Unions and 3000 members. Who do you represent? I'll tell you. 7 Local Unions and without Local 1995 - 900 members.

Anonymous said...

but with 1995 the seven locals represent a majority. That includes the secratarys housekeepers, bus drivers etc that are in the school board locals that have so much in comman with the dissedent locals

Anonymous said...

hey anonymous calls to resign boy I am shaking in my boots tough guy

Anonymous said...

Wrong again you idiot! The 7 Locals only represent maybe 2800 members max! Some majority. Ha Ha Ha

Anonymous said...

I guess you cant count,and judging from your low brow comments you are probally some lazy no good rep, with nothing do except point fingers, also remember alot guys who came to convention who did not go along with the coup were from some the locals who did.They count to in a democracy

Anonymous said...

well here it is

The plan was to tranfer all the controll to CMAW/CEP at the CMAW convention, that is why the weighted vote.
That is why the CMAW convention first.
This way if Randy looses the 1995 election we are all into CEP and the party is over

Anonymous said...

Actually the truth about the numbers can be found from the 62nd Convention "Report of the Provincial Council (ex) Officers (i.e. Haggarty and Embree). By their own numbers as of December 31, 2005 the "Rump Group" counted 15 Local Unions and 3043 members while the "Ousted Officers Group" represented just 7 Local Unions and 2764 members. Check it out for yourselves.

Anonymous said...

your math is wrong, I guess you were not much of carpenter.but if you add up who did attend because at least some locals did not attend at all the majority was with the seven locals

Anonymous said...

Even with out the delegates you did not have, the seven locals had the majority. delegates from the "dissident" locals who did not vote with you and you were really far short of a majority

Anonymous said...

all that really matters is that;

A majority of delegates attending the convention shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business

To Recap;

majority of CMAW delegates voted to postpone the CMAW convention untill there is a proper constiution in place that has been approved by the members

majority of BCPC delegates had a convention and went through each and every resolution. if some people chose not to show up even though there local sent them there
so be it.

the real reason that pat and company tried to cancel the bcpc convention is that he didn't have the numbers, plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

Judging by the time dates on these postings, there a lot of BAs with nothing to do.
Or, is every concerned member on night shift?

Anonymous said...

thats really good coming from a provincial council organizer!

Anonymous said...

I am not a provincial council organizer, However you are a lazy B.A

Anonymous said...

of course you are not an organizer there are no provincial council organizers only guys hired to work on randys campaign paid by provincial council

Anonymous said...

Last winter Zdrillic, Jalava,Heisterclac, Nedelec, Backer,Colburn,Eaton and Scaling all voted to "lay off" the Provincial Council organizers.
The next day CAST had oganizers on the ground trying to raid us.

Coincidence ? I don't think so!

Anonymous said...

Hello, from Las Vegas, Nevada and thanks for the laughs. Sounds like a good idea to layoff the organizers since they work for CEP and CLAC anyway and haven't organized anything in the past five years. While gronk is slobbering drunk and stoned Zeus is filling calls for CLAC offering to send benefit remittances to CLAC for CMAW work. I bet Jimmy Hoffa never thought of that one!

Anonymous said...

Yahoo.... 3 more years for Randy smith

Anonymous said...

3 MONTHS 29 DAYS TO GO.

Anonymous said...

well be long gone by then losers

Anonymous said...

3 MONTHS 28 DAYS TO GO AND COUNTING.

Anonymous said...

It is great that a good leader was chosen in Randy Smith. Now lets go with business and start organizing.

Anonymous said...

3 MONTHS 26 DAYS.

Anonymous said...

3 MONTHS 25 DAYS.

Anonymous said...

GREAT LEADER Randy Smith not likely
since Randy has been the president of 1995 the local has lost 1/3 of it's members. Just check the convention report.
Local 1995 lost 162 members from 2004 to 2005, even with Randy's quicky first year training program to bring in hundreds of entry level apprentices - you know the guys that i am talking about, you have had them on your job.
he is still a failure!

Anonymous said...

Randy may have his faults, but at least he is not afraid of the future.

Anonymous said...

good come back randy nobody else would say that, hey randy why dont you just let whole membership vote and see what they have to say, see if they want to go with the cep or just stay with cmaw as a stand alone union, that is why you and your local wanted to leave big bother is it not, why would you want to get in bed with the same thing?

Anonymous said...

CMAW is and does stand alone. The word is affiliation not takeover you dumb fuck.
Buy a dictionary.

Anonymous said...

Why is there such a split within our union?
Alot of us are confused why there isnt anymore information on this important issue!
Cmaw sounds good but all this information that isnt seen indicates take over by cep?????????
Im proud to be union carpenter however with all this conflict Im not sure anymore!
The real question here is can we vote on our fait!

Anonymous said...

if it is only an affiliation then why is CEP starting CEP local 3000
to have all the construction members under, then they can kill CMAW.
so much for autonomy we had more autonomy with the international

Anonymous said...

you have no idea what you are talking about there is no cep local 3000

Anonymous said...

Let the members decide on our unions direction!
Should we stay with cmaw as the carpenters union or do we eventually mould into cep as one whole union!
We need to stop using the members hard earned money on fighting with each other!
LET THE MEMBERS DECIDE!!!!

Anonymous said...

yeah right on brother all for one and one for all - either we are all in or all out

Anonymous said...

Hey boys and girls, has anyone seen Embree lately?
I hear Noster has moved into his office.
He is probably living in Lens apartment that we are paying for.
No Prez. since April, sounds like a Jimmy Hoffa thing.

Anonymous said...

At least someone is interested in looking for Hoffa...

Anonymous said...

NEWS FLASH,
They found Hoffa twenty years ago when the scraped the makeup off Tammy Fay Baker.

Anonymous said...

3 months 7 days to go.